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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:07 pm

Lupos are camber adjustable as standard on the front. You would adjust it where the two bolts secure the strut/coilover to the hub. Pretty sure the rear is fixed and would need shims as corey said. They are based on a shortened 6n Polo platform I think.

Basically Lu as corey as said the camber ain't in spec on the front. The limits are between 0.5 degrees negative and 0.1 degrees negative. Yours has way too much negative camber going by the standard settings both before and after.

Though its likely they won't have even looked at the camber unless you asked for them to check and adjust as Bush's in Skegness charged me extra on top of the alignment to correct the camber when I asked for it to be done. It's very likely that the camber is out since the coilovers were fitted. I know mine is on my Lupo as I fitted them!

As for your tracking (or wheel alignment) I'd say it was within the tolerances on the front but before it was done it was slightly out.

The vibration is down to wheel balance.

Hope that's of some help, the only alignment gear I ever use is very old skool and that is a bit posh with a printout but at least you can see whats what. I think they should have told you about the camber tho, regardless of if you asked them to check it or not. As for the wheel balance they should sort that. Let us know how you get on.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:32 pm

thats awful lu i hope that you get it sorted soon and free of charge
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:55 pm

All they have done mate is set it to paralel, which is where the toe is meant to be, if you move the camber it wil move the toe so if you want them to make it so the front alignment is all within tolerances they wil have to do it all again!

Personaly I would have them take 1 degree of the camber so it was leaning in 1 degree and not 2! Then get the tracking re-done, but they wont do that for free as you dint ask them to do the camber, the advantage of having it leaning in slightly is that it wil bring the tops of the wheels away from the arches alowing you to go a litlle lower and wil give you a better look!

The problem you have got is that they havent balanced the wheels properly! Thats all, as for adjusting camber and toe on the back of yours, im 99% on the back its not adjustable without you buying camber plates or shiming the stub axle!

Dont be concerned with puting it to diferant setting for diferant handling it wont make a diferacne for the uses you use the car
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:10 am

ok, cheers everyone. i didnt know i had to ask to sort the camber out, i just fort it would all be part of the trackin shizzle they do! tut, i need an in house mechanic! think i just worry too much.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:27 am

You shouldn't have to ask, it would be the garages responsibility to ensure your alignment is aligned, not just do half the job, unless there is a fault with something on the car, this should then be brought to the owners attention and the owner decides what happens next (based on the advice given by the garage).
If something cannot be adjusted for whatever reason then the cause needs to be determined and advised. It's not rocket science, the owner takes a car to a garage to have the expertise on their vehicle.
An alignment means just that, the car is aligned to within specifications.
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:51 am

im gonna try and pop down after work but im not sure if i will get there before they shut if not it will be on sat.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:43 am

corey wrote:
You shouldn't have to ask, it would be the garages responsibility to ensure your alignment is aligned, not just do half the job, unless there is a fault with something on the car, this should then be brought to the owners attention and the owner decides what happens next (based on the advice given by the garage).
If something cannot be adjusted for whatever reason then the cause needs to be determined and advised. It's not rocket science, the owner takes a car to a garage to have the expertise on their vehicle.
An alignment means just that, the car is aligned to within specifications.

You have a point but no tyre fitting place will ever do the camber unles you ask them to because it is a specialist service, if you payed 56 for the alignment then thats the price they carge to do camber aswel, if they dint do it they robed you.

ATS charge 22 for a tracking which is what you had done
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:53 am

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You have a point but no tyre fitting place will ever do the camber unles you ask them to because it is a specialist service

No it isn't, they are measuring camber as shown on their printout (although that doesn't mean they understand the figures they are looking at!!!)
The specialist aspect comes from taking the factory figures and tweaking them so the handling can be improved by the application of certain parts.
Equipment is one thing, and we do have the best, but technical expertise and our experience is what makes us better than most in wheel alignment, steering geometry and chassis dynamics.
As camber is an integral part of the front suspension settings and how it is set effects many aspect they should be adjusting it as a matter of course, but then they are in the market for replacing tyres and if the camber is not set correctly the tyres wear quicker.


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if you payed 56 for the alignment then thats the price they carge to do camber aswel, if they dint do it they robed you.

ATS charge 22 for a tracking which is what you had done

There is a whole world of difference between tracking being set and total chassis dynamics.
56 for the pleasure of not having the car set correctly and having the hassle of having to go back and forwards to the company or pay twice that for the peace of mind that the chassis is setup to be the best it can be?
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:23 am

Did you have any luck with this today Lu?

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:04 pm

no my boss made me stay late so will skive off early mora to get down but the ex wife just been talking to me and said that the time before this bush in gy couldnt alter the camber cos its been lowered and i have the old printouts at work and i think hes right.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:46 pm

corey wrote:
Briggs-e wrote:

You have a point but no tyre fitting place will ever do the camber unles you ask them to because it is a specialist service

No it isn't, they are measuring camber as shown on their printout (although that doesn't mean they understand the figures they are looking at!!!)
The specialist aspect comes from taking the factory figures and tweaking them so the handling can be improved by the application of certain parts.
Equipment is one thing, and we do have the best, but technical expertise and our experience is what makes us better than most in wheel alignment, steering geometry and chassis dynamics.
As camber is an integral part of the front suspension settings and how it is set effects many aspect they should be adjusting it as a matter of course, but then they are in the market for replacing tyres and if the camber is not set correctly the tyres wear quicker.


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if you payed 56 for the alignment then thats the price they carge to do camber aswel, if they dint do it they robed you.

ATS charge 22 for a tracking which is what you had done

There is a whole world of difference between tracking being set and total chassis dynamics.
56 for the pleasure of not having the car set correctly and having the hassle of having to go back and forwards to the company or pay twice that for the peace of mind that the chassis is setup to be the best it can be?

Have you ever worked in a tyre place? From what you have said I would gues at no!

The fact of the matter is that you are just trying to push your busines on this thread and to me thats fair enough, but a tyre place wont set the camber unles you ask them to, or the very slim chance that if its along way out they might ask you if you want it doing.

85% of tyre places dont even have the equipment to check for camber or castor, so it wont get done wil it?
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:48 pm

lupolu wrote:
no my boss made me stay late so will skive off early mora to get down but the ex wife just been talking to me and said that the time before this bush in gy couldnt alter the camber cos its been lowered and i have the old printouts at work and i think hes right.

He's talking bolocks mate, he probably didnt want to do it thats all! You got the weiteks didnt you? If I was you I would take it back and just get the wheels balanced, there is nothing wrong with the way its been set.

If the tyres start to wear uneven then get the tyres swoped left to right
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:14 am

well just lookin at my old print out from bush in gy the camber was 2,36 left and 1,48 right so its around similar to what it is now. but then on the final report they got it down to 1,36 left and 1,42 right so they can do it just being lazy twats.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:07 am

I hate bushs. they are robbing cunts. I have had nothing but over priced bullshit from there. I would never go there.
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:52 am

no im not going to either i dont think.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:55 pm

Very few decent places to go for any thing more specialist close to skeg and now Adam's not at ray's I need to find someone to do the Yamaha's tyres, I fact mum's bf bought a manual bead breaker for motorbikes so I'll do em myself seeing as I know the score lol!

Come on guys! Post up good local tyre fitters! I don't mean cheap ones who'll fook up your wheels either!

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:36 am

I get mine at a friends garrage coz my mate works for the tire whle salers and his dad fits them for me Smile AtkinsBodyCare in great steeping
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:56 am

well took it back today and the manager happened to be listening in so they gonna sort the camber, cos he said it shouldnt be like it is and i said that no one said anything to me about it and re balance for free. tho the camber is an extra charge normally. they couldnt do it today so gonig back friday straight after work or might even take the afternoon off.

maybe there not so bad afterall just a pitty they couldnt do it the first time.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:37 pm

im glad im leaving in the summer
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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:41 pm

what i'd do is never go to bushes again but you keep going back ya numpty

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:46 am

lol i wont be after this mate dont you worry. gonna pop to caddy as well after cos there is a track day on. got the afternoon off.

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:13 pm

Get some trackday pics lu!

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:44 pm

maybe mate! depends how long i am at bush, knowin them it wil take em all fukin day!

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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:44 am


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PostSubject: Re: shakey steering wheel issues   Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:17 am

Better but still not within and still not even, what did they do just raise the car slightly to improve the readings? Or did they actually adjust anything? were you watching?
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